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start in the MIDDLE of the floor

Good call, Len :lol: As to your suggestion about protecting the new work, that would help for SOME forms of "oopsies" - personally, since I own a full-size industrial backhoe, I tend to assume that ANYTHING can be destroyed if we TRY hard enough :oops: hence my advice to do ALL demo before putting things up we want to SAVE :? Steve
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Well, with a backhoe, I could do some SERIOUS damage. I seem to remember somewhere earlier in the thread he said he was going to use a cement saw to score and then break out blocks (with a jack hammer) and remove them so based on personal experience, I was suggesting "practicing" with the jack hammer in the middle of the room.

I'm 6' tall but only weigh 118 lbs so the first (and only) time I rented a jack hammer to break up an old concrete patio in the back yard, I had trouble holding it and it really looked more like I was riding a pogo stick! Fun was had by all...

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len-morgan wrote:

I'm 6' tall but only weigh 118 lbs so the first (and only) time I rented a jack hammer to break up an old concrete patio in the back yard, I had trouble holding it and it really looked more like I was riding a pogo stick! Fun was had by all...

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knightfly wrote:Using a thin bead of glue around the inserts' perimeters AND screws into the OSB will work fine.
OK then. Settled. 8" spacing on screws into OSB, with glue along the edges for added protection.

To clarify: Specifically, I'll be applying a bead of adhesive on the back of each strip, about an inch from the edge on the left and right sides.

:!: I'm figuring on using a Liquid Nails product that seems appropriate for use on drywall. Please let me know right away if there is a specific product recommendation or, especially, if this is not a good idea.

By the way, I had originally planned to put the strips up in two pieces, just so that they'd be easier to work with. Indeed, this will be necessary due to the "stringers" present in about half of the bays. I'm assuming now from the talk of stud spacing and such that I would be better off using full height panels (which is possible -- I'm getting 10' length boards) when possible. Please let me know if for some reason I should do two halves for each layer, regardless of the presence of a stringer.
You can't put screws much closer together though, you want to keep at least a couple inches between screw holes in the OSB for strength - with 4 layers, offsetting screws by 2" each layer you'd be limited to 4 layers. So each layer's schedule should not be closer than 8". The final layer being screwed to cleats should work fine, just be sure this doesn't cause any air gap between the last two layers.
Yes, 2" spacing layer-to-layer will be good.

Yes, there should not be an air gap -- that's why I'm doing three 1/2" panels because the sum thickness of them total the depth of the 1 1/2" cleats.
. . . your level of "overkill" should negate 99% of any ill effects [of the 16" stud spacing].
Cool. 8) I didn't want to risk making such a material change to the plans.
As it is now, I doubt you could get yourself in trouble with neighbors even after breaking a dozen pairs of sticks and splitting a couple of heads...
This is the assurance I love to read!!! :mrgreen:
len-morgan wrote:you get the cheapest plywood or even 3/8" drywall and lay it up against the new walls (long edge down) to make kind of a super baseboard that would absorb the damage and then be tossed?
Len, you'll be pleased to know that my father-in-law told me the same thing this morning (before I had a chance to read your idea). Although Steve makes some great points about the advantages of doing demolition work first, my father-in-law was concerned about such things as tripping over J-bolts in the new slab. I didn't take that warning too seriously, but he "stuck to his guns" so to speak. And since he may be assisting me with the concrete demolition and he's blind (really -- and he doesn't let that get in his way of doing some pretty amazing things 8)), I think I'll take Len's advice and use some of my yet-unused OSB for that purpose. :)

A little while ago I received a call from AMS confirming delivery tomorrow. I told them to "assume a go" for 7 AM delivery unless they heard from me. My deadline for canceling the delivery is 4 PM (PDT) today. At this point I'm inclined to go ahead with the delivery and work on beef this 4-day weekend as per the above fastening plan! :twisted:

My sincere thanks to Steve, Len, and of course Dan, for their help in clearing the fuzz! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Huge Servings of Beef - Coming Right Up!!!
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Ha! I'm 6 feet tall and I weigh more than both of you (Len and Stick) combined!! :lol: No wonder they call you Stick! ;-)

Hey, Len -- great advice on jackhammering. I'll be most interested in hearing your experiences busting up concrete in excruciating detail as I have none! :roll:

Don't worry -- we won't laugh at you... At least not in front of you... :lol:

--Keith "Not A Stick (But I Used To Be)" Sharward :mrgreen:
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Keith - buy ONE tube of the product you think you want to use - put a light bead of it on a piece of scrap gypsum, pretend you're doing all the things that get in the way of immediate application of the gypsum to the stud cavity, then press it against another piece of scrap gypsum and see how much it squishes out, and how tight together the two pieces of gypsum end up. If there is a visible gap, the stuff is too thick for this application. (quite a few construction adhesives ARE too thick and/or quick setting.) - The instruction that's written on nearly every chemical sold, the one that says "try in an inconspicuous place", or "test on scrap first" - not just a CYA tactic...

Len - where I come from we'd call your jackhammer ride "tail wagging the dog" :? - not a lotta fun... Steve
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Post by sharward »

Great advice, Steve. Consider it taken. (I'll probably buy the quantity I I'll need with a plan to exchange for a different product after testing it as you described.)

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls... Behold -- thousands of pounds of drywall!! :mrgreen:

The forklift wouldn't fit into the garage -- the 7 foot clearance of the door was too low. So the guy brought the material up to the top of the driveway, and then the two of us stacked it on the floor -- 5/8" first (since it's going up last), and 1/2" on top of that. Thinking ahead a few days ago, I made 4' long strips of OSB on which to stack the drywall. 8)

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Let the beef begin!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by Stick »

Oh to have a stack of drywall sitting in the garage... sigh.

Rock ON! (Get it... "rock"... like as in sheet "rock"?! HA HA HA HA! Bet no one's ever heard that one around here!)

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Post by sharward »

Well, it may not seem like I've done too much, but I'm still getting used to working with drywall. Overall, pretty easy. The 1/2" stuff is a breeze to work with.

I purchased five 28-ouce tubes of LIQUID NAILS® Professional Heavy Duty Construction Adhesive (LNP-903). It works great. I tested it as per Dr. Knightfly's prescription, and it passed the test with flying colors. It's gooey but thin enough to compress nicely. It also cleans up easily.

I used one of my left-over 10-foot long 1x2s to make a color-coded fastener placement guide. I used four colored Sharpies to create lines that are 2 inches apart. Each color is repeated every 8 inches. Two 1 5/8" screws temporarily attach the guide to a nearby stud. Works great!! 8)

I took a couple of pictures of what's been done so far: two bays, three layers of 1/2", with staggered seams. (I had no choice but to cut each layer to fit behind the stringer.) I kind of messed up the color coding on the far-right bay, but I'm onto a system now: first layer red, second layer green, third layer blue. Fourth layer will be silver.

I plan to do all the 1/2" work first, then attach all of the 5/8" after that. I need to order Green Glue and get it delivered before I do the 5/8 stuff.

I'm eating dinner while I type this. I may work a bit more this evening on it -- it would be good to get another bay done before I call it a night. I've got three more days ahead of me to commit beefage!

--Keith :mrgreen:
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Post by Dan Fitzpatrick »

cool screw-gauge keith!

i'm starting to get the idea that there is always a smarter way to do something if you think about it long enough. :)
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Looks great Keith. Can't wait to see more! :D
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Post by sharward »

I just purchased a case of Green Glue. The total was US$210.83, including shipping. :shock: I'll probably need to buy more later, but at that price, I'd rather not stock up on that stuff.
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Post by vair327 »

Cool to see getting started! :D

I am still getting all of the non-profit paper work together. It also looks like we will be going into a real location.......so back to the drawing board for the studio plans. I will post them as soon as they are ready.


Keep up the great work....good luck on all that sheetrock work!!! :wink:
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Hey -- good to see you again, Vair! 8) Thanks for the encouragement! :mrgreen:

Tonight I finished the first three layers of beef on the west wall. I'm really surprised how long it's taking! :? Truthfully, it's just mind-numbing, tedius, and achy work. I say "achy" because, quite frankly, I'm really out of shape, so all the stooping and standing and stooping and standing for two days in a row is quite a workout! :shock: This was to be expected though. I surely need the exercise!

Hopefully I'll get all (or at least most) of the first three layers of beef-up work done over the next two days -- if I can stay motivated to keep up the drudgery! :evil: If not, then I'll poke at it during the week while I await arrival of the Green Glue.

--Keith :mrgreen:
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I was only able to fill three stud bays today with the 3 layers of 1/2 stuff. :? Slow going, but moving along. I had to drive all over town today to replenish my screw and nail supply... Local Home Depot totally out of stock of 1" drywall screws, so I had to go to the Home Depot that's 12 miles away... And they didn't have the 1 1/2" drywall screws, so I had to travel another 10-15 miles to the nearest Lowe's for those. :evil:

At the rate I'm going, I'll have three 1/2" sheets left over, and I think I'll have 1, maybe 2 sheets of 5/8" left over.

--Keith :mrgreen:
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