thank you again stuart
OK now I've got what you mean by 60 degrees. If soffit mount I normally check 90 degrees (180degrees total spread) and 360 if free standing. I just trying to get away from that orange line in that diagram thanks for confirming that
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I didn't lowered console down I just use SSL model from 3d warehouse within skethcup and use it as it is it looks like it was drawn to scale Maybe sketchup's 3D people models are too big or confused by perspective view
if I'm trying to adjust level of console surface to keep reflection below ear I'd rather raise it up and this is same file but console surface 10cm higher (I wouldn't do this for real I'd try to keep factory height)
This ray is only 26 degrees off axis but this ray just right above meter bridge wider than that will hit top of meter bridge
Ray's reflection is about his chest which is lower than orange arrow in previous diagram so the reflection will get higher if I lower console surface I wouldn't do that for sure
but Tilting might be great Idea I'll try it today Thanks again
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About ITU and EBU documents I've read them since first time you've recommended me (I think I have to read them again )
yes I notice 1.2 m in these documents (and your reply from many threads) but I'm a little confuse by other sources such as:
1, Genelec guides 1.4 m
2. Phillip Newell's Book 1.45-1.48 m (if I remember it right) He's written something like it's middle of short person sitting and ver tall person standing. (I can't remember exact words)
EDITED add Picture
It also looks like it's too low when I compare to sketchup's 3D people model. 1.2m is about his neck when he's sitting. (last diagram Speaker on stand is 1.2m) I know this guy is really tall (2m tall when he's standing).
1.2 m. is fine for me and my friend because we're short person haha but how about others those are taller? or listening while standing because sometime I stand to use console unless I know that console very well and I think most people use console while standing.
I've been confusing about this for a while but I'm afraid to ask you
If I stick with acoustic axis 1.2m high I might be able to angle down the glass I'll try this height as well
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The budget is average not extremely high that's why we are on our own
I put lot of equipments in the plan just to see future upgrade. We do not have that many equipments and console not going to be SSL too expensive for us . My other friend offering us his old MTA 900series (I think) he'd like to sell it to us cheap because his studio had shutdown. It might be old but it has enough number of channels with automation which is fully working at a lot lower cost compare to ordering SSL (or other Console manufacturers) and ship to our country
this picture took by its current owner at current studio. (too bad we didn't get that lexicon 480L set he sold it to other guy really cheap 3x,xxx baht which is about US$1000 )
About Speakers we still selecting. We already have Makie 824, Focal CMS65 and NS10M STUDIO. I think I'll place NS10M on stand for sure and I'd like to have another pair soffit mount because I think it's better than free standing (Maybe buy another pair or flush mount Mackie) but seem like my friend do not want to make soffit mounting
My other friend (same person as console's owner) also offering Old KRK main monitor
It looks huge in the picture I haven't see it yet because he lives in another province and I can't find its info from internet. It's a lot cheaper than buying new main monitors like ADAM or Genelec. What do you think about these speakers?
Thank you so much for all informations you're sharing
Ken
Rehearsal room
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Re: Rehearsal room
Here is new control room
Top view, Speaker placement and NS10 Ray tracing
I decided to use NS10M as a 60 degree monitoring system and HR824 as 90 degree monitoring
HR824 Raytracing. I was trying to see what happen if I place monitor closer.
Left side placing its back against front bass trap and Right side placing it a little closer to listener
right side has early reflection from front window to listener So I think it would be better if I place HR824 against front basstrap
Here is 3D render (In this pic speakers a littler too wide
Thanks
Top view, Speaker placement and NS10 Ray tracing
I decided to use NS10M as a 60 degree monitoring system and HR824 as 90 degree monitoring
HR824 Raytracing. I was trying to see what happen if I place monitor closer.
Left side placing its back against front bass trap and Right side placing it a little closer to listener
right side has early reflection from front window to listener So I think it would be better if I place HR824 against front basstrap
Here is 3D render (In this pic speakers a littler too wide
Thanks
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Re: Rehearsal room
Update Project is done took us a year to build and has been open since FEB 2016
I don't have much building photo 'coz I was in hospital while it's built
Control room with SSL 4000G. Bought from another studio that has closed down. absorb back 'coz not enough distance to use diffusers
wall behind engineer use acoustic hangers hanged angled and Superchunk basstrap in all corners. drop ceiling filled with rockwool above engineer closed back Cloud absorber with 12mm MDF Tilted down. carpenter make it smaller than what I wrote in the plan Live room photo taken from Balconi Side panel taken while building. Used hinge to switch between absorb and reflective. Reflective surfaces are 12mm MDF with 4mm veneer on both side. Panels are angled 15degrees and the shape is almost like sawtooth shape for space saving Some photo while building
owner didn't like veneer in previous Photo so we chaange live room view from side Out side studio. the studio called "Studio In park" because it's in a small park. Thank you Stuart for giving advise
I don't have much building photo 'coz I was in hospital while it's built
Control room with SSL 4000G. Bought from another studio that has closed down. absorb back 'coz not enough distance to use diffusers
wall behind engineer use acoustic hangers hanged angled and Superchunk basstrap in all corners. drop ceiling filled with rockwool above engineer closed back Cloud absorber with 12mm MDF Tilted down. carpenter make it smaller than what I wrote in the plan Live room photo taken from Balconi Side panel taken while building. Used hinge to switch between absorb and reflective. Reflective surfaces are 12mm MDF with 4mm veneer on both side. Panels are angled 15degrees and the shape is almost like sawtooth shape for space saving Some photo while building
owner didn't like veneer in previous Photo so we chaange live room view from side Out side studio. the studio called "Studio In park" because it's in a small park. Thank you Stuart for giving advise
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Re: Rehearsal room
You are very welcome, Ken!Thank you Stuart for giving advise
That's a great looking place, too! Very nice. Very "open" and light, with good sight-lines too.
Congratulations!
How about running a test in there with REW, and posting the results here? Send me the MDAT file, and I'd be happy to analyze it for you.
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