Sonolink Studio Project

Plans and things, layout, style, where do I put my near-fields etc.

Moderators: Aaronw, kendale, John Sayers

sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Sorry if I'm a pain....I downloaded REW and installed it. Then opened the manual. Got to the chapter "connections"....they talk about right to left adapters and weird stuff I guess related to home audio and hi-fi, right?
I have a Macbook Pro, a MOTU Ultralite MkIII, the measurement mic I mentioned before, and I also have a Radio Shack 33-4050 analog SPL meter. How do I hook up all this please?
Last post with questions of the day....promised :)
Cheers
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Nobody?
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Ok, so I tried setting up REW5 for Mac and honestly, I'm a bit lost.....
I connected the Radio Shack analogue SPL meter to input channel 2 (right) and my speakers to Output channels 1 and 2. When I try to check levels, I read +/- 75dB on the meter (C weighting/Slow) but the levels on the screen are way off. All the controls are disabled (like Wave, etc) and if I want to have a 6dB max difference between In and Out Levels adjusting my soundcard's output level, my speakers sound like they gonna blow!! With the mic, more or less the same happens. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what it is.
I've taken measurements with Fuzzmeasure. I don't know if they're helpful at all, and also, I can't figure out how to make Fuzzmeasure play the sweep through Both speakers...
Anyway, here it is. Please let me know something soon....

01.Mix.Left.jpg
02.Mix.Right.jpg
03.Couch.Left.jpg
04.Couch.Right.jpg
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
gullfo
Moderator
Posts: 5344
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:55 am
Location: Panama City Beach, FL USA
Contact:

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by gullfo »

the adapter allows REW to calibrate itself to your soundcard. one channel drives both speakers and one channel drives itself so the application can compensate for the latency and frequency response of the card itself. basically a simple loopback on one channel and then use the other channel to feed one or both speakers. same approach is likely for FM.

at a quick glance, you're about +/- 5db on the overall LF response at the mix position and you can see the ceiling-floor dip at around 75-80hz and a corresponding value at twice that frequency. the second mode might be solved by adding some mass to the back of your cloud and/or shifting its height down a bit.
if you can export the FM file or get the REW working, that would be helpful. if not, can you show the ETC and the waterfall plots?
Glenn
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Glenn,
Thanks for your help cos REW is seriously getting on my nerves. I just had another go, but each time I try to calibrate or measure I get this: "peak impulse is not where it should be. Data may be corrupted. Check impulse with scope blablabla"
Any ideas?
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Glenn,
here's my FM file. Let me know if it works, otherwise I'll post the info you need :)
http://www.megafileupload.com/en/file/3 ... 1-zip.html

Have a good weekend mate!!

Cheers
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Did you manage to import the FM file, Glenn?
Cheers
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
gullfo
Moderator
Posts: 5344
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:55 am
Location: Panama City Beach, FL USA
Contact:

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by gullfo »

i have not had a chance yet. will try to do so in a day or two. backlog...
Glenn
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

Ok, no probs. I'm loving the sound so far. Trying to get acquainted with her listening to familiar stuff :)
Please let me know something as soon as you can. I'll try to avoid booking the shrink in the meantime ;)
Cheers
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
gullfo
Moderator
Posts: 5344
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:55 am
Location: Panama City Beach, FL USA
Contact:

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by gullfo »

what options does FuzzMeasure have to export the data or save-as?
Glenn
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

"save as" let's me save a file like the one I posted. I believe it's FM format.
I have attached the different menus for you to see, just in case I miss out something...
100.jpg
101.jpg
102.jpg
103.jpg
104.jpg
105.jpg
106.jpg
Cheers and thanks for your time :)
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
gullfo
Moderator
Posts: 5344
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:55 am
Location: Panama City Beach, FL USA
Contact:

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by gullfo »

overall not too shabby... :wink: looks like a bit around 180 and 360hz need some love. could you post the ETC (energy time curve (last entry on the impulse response menu)
Glenn
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

...not too shabby? :? ....I think I might be the one needing love now.... :)
Seriously, is it any good?

I'm not sure this is what you asked (Energy Time Curve). I've also added Reverb Time and Waterfall, just in case :)
Cheers
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
sonolink
Posts: 220
Joined: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:50 pm
Location: Madrid, Spain

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by sonolink »

09.SonoMixRightOctaveBandReverbTimeT20.jpg
10.SonoMixRightOctaveBandReverbTimeT30.jpg
11.SonoCouchLeftOctaveBandReverbTimeEDT.jpg
12.SonoCouchLeftOctaveBandReverbTimeT20.jpg
13.SonoCouchLeftOctaveBandReverbTimeT30.jpg
14.SonoCouchRightOctaveBandReverbTimeEDT.jpg
15.SonoCouchRightOctaveBandReverbTimeT20.jpg
16.SonoCouchRightOctaveBandReverbTimeT30.jpg
17.SonoMixLeftWaterfall.jpg
18.SonoMixRightWaterfall.jpg
19.SonoCouchLeftWaterfall.jpg
20.SonoCouchRightWaterfall.jpg

I hope it's not a problem not being able to measure both speakers together (although probably it's me not knowing how to do it....)
Cheers
Sono
Why sleep when you can mix?
M.P.Stavrou
gullfo
Moderator
Posts: 5344
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:55 am
Location: Panama City Beach, FL USA
Contact:

Re: Sonolink Studio Project

Post by gullfo »

it should be OK (and desirable to) have both speakers running as well as the side to side views. i think overall, the mix position you're about +/- 5db which is really nice. at the couch about +/- 8db which is also very good. a bit dry in some of the low mids but not unexpected given the amount of absorption. i think (this time only a couple of pictures please) the log squared impulse response at the mix position. see if any reflections off the clouds or other things need attention. do you have your mix desk installed yet or this is still just empty room?
Glenn
Post Reply